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We’re Pro Choice… Deal With It

So I caused a little flare up on the Grounded Parents Facebook Page when I shared this satisfying rant from friend of the network and FtBlogger Dana Hunter at En Tequila Es Verdad 

Two old white men whine about abortion. (Well, they also lie extravagantly, but I just want to address this more commonly-spouted bit):
“’It’s a pile of babies almost 70 million babies tall, mountains and mountains and mountains of babies,’ Jim Bakker said.”
Okay, Jim “Convicted Felon” Bakker. Let’s talk about that. Let’s talk about abolishing abortion so all those precious “babies” lived.

Who’s paying for them? Who’s supporting the millions of kids who would’ve otherwise have been aborted because Mommy and Daddy* couldn’t afford them? Who’s paying for their health care, food, shelter, and education through college? Who’s paying for daycare and diapers and all the billion and one things children need to have a successful childhood? Who’s supporting Moms and Dads with social programs meant to keep them from working themselves to death while their children starve because you can’t support even a small family on minimum wage?
That’s not you, because conservatives spend at least as much energy ratfucking the poor and gutting aid programs as they do demanding war and fighting to deny pregnant people any reproductive care.

It’s a no holds barred rant against the kind of selective concern that anti-choice, pro-forced birthers have for the precious little babies right up to when adoptthey come squealing out of the mommy beast, at which point the lil shit becomes somebody else’s problem. I shared it because I agreed with the sentiment wholeheartedly, as well as firmly believing that it fit really well with our own editorial stance.

Boy did this surprise some of the folks who follow the GP Facebook page. Within minutes someone had posted the image to our right along with the quote…

Every human life is precious. Abortion is the holocaust of our time. There are people like this woman who will raise them.

We left that one up there because the thread ended up with quite a discussion afterwards. Here are a few interesting  bits, with replies by our own Erich Bacher doing yeoman’s work moderating. I’ll keep the comments anonymous, we’ll just refer to the original complainant as Forced Birth Troll, or FBT.

Forced Birth Troll: So children who are already born deserve to continue to live, even if they are a drain on the system, are in pain, have profound deformities? I agree. Why are they worthy after they are born, but not before?

Grounded Parents: The debate that you are looking for FBT, which is to determine where life begins exactly, has many many forums that you can engage, so please take it to one of them. This site is unequivocally pro-choice.

Other FBT: Well, thanks GP, that’s me outta here.

(Abortion pushed on my mother by bullying doctors – I’m a survivor and glad to be alive)

Grounded Parents: I’m sorry to hear that happened to your mother OFBT. I’d just like to point out that someone pressuring a woman to have an abortion is not pro-choice.

Other FBT: Yet, I have been assured many times that if my mother had “chosen” to believe the scare tactics, my death would have been okay. Because choice.

Sorry, but no.

Yet another FBT: Wow! I can’t believe the hate in this article. Yes, I am pro life and I did not realize that GP was not. I am saddened about that. I will now stop following your page. This type of callousness about human life is ridiculous and breath taking. And yes, I am a Republican who supports helping others. I believe in strong families, caring neighbors and Christian values. And I have 5 biological children of my own and we have also adopted. Do not lump all prolifers into one group that says ‘you must have that baby yet we won’t lift a finger to help you with the real practical aspect of that baby’.

The Original FBT:  I liked the page for the science and the pro-vaccine stance. I think it’s interesting that I’m being shooed away for bringing up the question of when life begins on a post about abortion.

Grounded Parents: (to FBT)  we’d love to discuss this article, regarding the societal implications and economic weight of the children who would have been born if not for abortion, but we cannot have that discussion if we instead debate when life begins and the morality of abortion. Which seems to happen every time this topic comes up.

Pro Choice Hero:  I would argue, (FTB), that if there is any reason to shoo you away it would be for using inflammatory language like “abortion is the holocaust of our time”.

Other FBT: For centuries churches and charitable organisations worldwide have done just that – taken care of that “economic weight”. What makes you think all the help in the world is no longer available? What makes death preferable to a life without XBox? Are today’s generation of adults really so selfish?

Grounded Parents: From the congressional commission on adoption.

We aren’t even caring for the children that were born. An additional hypothetical 70 million more would result in harsher conditions than “no xbox.”

Grounded Parents's photo.
Mary Brock of GP Fame laying the hammer down: GP is an unequivocally pro-choice site and it’s not up for debate. Women choose abortions for many different reasons, and calling it “selfish” means that you don’t really understand the issues. If being pro-choice is offensive to you, then we will never agree about this issue.
And it goes on from there. This part of the thread is still up, feel free to dive in, although you will note that there are no more Forced Birth Trolls  in the main thread. That’s because we deleted them. It is the editorial policy of Grounded Parents that we are not here to host your debate about the legality, morality, or ethics of reproductive choice. We aren’t interested in discussing when life begins, as far as I’m concerned life began billions of years ago. We aren’t here to give exposure or breathing room to people who think the rights of  pregnant persons to bodily autonomy end when Mr. Sperm and Mrs. Egg meet to do the Chromosome Tango, unless an invitation to such a debate was made explicit in the original blog or Facebook post. There are plenty of other places on the internet for where you can go to express your heartfelt commitment to making people carry pregnancies to term against their will. Go there instead.
But isn’t that censorship?
No…
But, but…
Seriously, no it’s not censorship. The Grounded Parents blog and Facebook page are private property. You post your commentary at OUR discretion. We have no more obligation to allow whatever speech comes burbling out of anyone’s pie hole here as you, imaginary interlocutor, have to allow us to preach our views standing on your  living room coffee table.
That’s really closed minded…
Yes, yes it is. On this issue, like the effectiveness and safety of vaccines, the science behind genetic modification, and the diabolic influence of Raffi on childhood development, our minds are closed. We are no more likely to be receptive to the arguments against reproductive choice than we are to 9/11 truthers or the Birther movement. Please don’t waste our time. Feel free to waste your time, just do it elsewhere.
Personally I share the bafflement expressed in this comment…
Grounded Parents Fanatic: Astounded that people following GP would be surprised that it is pro-choice…
If you scroll down to the bottom of our page you’ll find our tag cloud. Click on the one marked abortion and you’ll see all of the articles  in Grounded Parents brief lifetime about abortion. Articles like…
And quite a few others. This shouldn’t be a big mystery.
Listen folks, if you want to treat pregnant people like sub human baby incubators, Get Down With Your Bad Self (official catchphrase  of the Grounded Parents Podcast). You just don’t get to do that here.
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Lou Doench

Lou Doench is a 48 year old father of three. Twelve years ago he married the coolest woman in the world and gave up the lucrative career of being a photography student to become a stay at home husband and Dad, or SAHD. An atheist geek, or a geeky atheist if you prefer, Lou likes reading, photography, video gaming, disc golf, baseball and Dr. Who. He has been playing Dungeons and Dragons since 1976. Born and raised in Cincinnati, Ohio. He is also an excellent home cook, not that his children would know because they only eat Mac & Cheese. Follow Lou on Twitter @blotzphoto or check out his photography at www.flickr.com/photos/blotz/

8 Comments

  1. October 27, 2015 at 2:03 pm —

    Were they just coming for the pretty pictures?

  2. October 29, 2015 at 2:12 pm —

    Seriously almost fell out of my chair laughing at “Get Down With Your Bad Self (official catchphrase  of the Grounded Parents Podcast).” and the accompanying tag.

  3. November 1, 2015 at 6:54 pm —

    Their shock would seem to indicate that they assume all parents are anti-choice.

  4. November 1, 2015 at 9:43 pm —

    This post is just awesome.

  5. November 2, 2015 at 8:55 am —

    Fundamentally, I think being pro-choice is mostly a position people arrive at through evidence-based observation.  Like comprehensive sexual education, if the actual data didn’t provide serious evidence that it worked, the fight would likely fall to those with strong opinions about the ideas themselves.

    So… it’s natural that more often than not skeptics end up pro-choice.  Thinking just about the ideas of abortion, without respect to evidence based outcomes, it can seem very unsavory.   But when you look at empirical observation about how children actually in the adoption system fair, the idea of “adopt don’t abort” suddenly becomes untenable.

  6. November 2, 2015 at 6:44 pm —

    White-male Canadian idiot here.  I just assumed the future was progress, but apparently abortion rights are getting worse? Wtf? What’s going on down there?

    • November 6, 2015 at 11:16 am —

      That isn’t a bad question hitthepass. From a layman’s perspective (I’m in no way an expert on these issues, just an avid observer), the pro life movement has 3 arms. One is the Catholic Church (the institution, the number of pro choice Catholics in the US is surprisingly high.) The Moral Majority/Religious Right, the largely Protestant and Southern conservative Christians, and the Republican party, who cynically manipulate the other pro life groups in order to capture their voting loyalties.

      But it’s not just the bad guys doing bad things that make this such a mess. The Democratic party may be officially pro choice, but they have a history of milquetoast leadership on the issue. And the US American public has often been apathetic in the face of this onslaught against reproductive rights.

      I’m currently reading Katha Pollitt’s “Pro: Reclaiming Abortion Rights” and I plan to write a review when I’m done (next week sometime), where I’ll have a better answer to this question.

  7. November 27, 2015 at 6:09 pm —

    Of course it is censorship. The definition and use does not exclude public or private action. The key is that the censorship is irrelevant.

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